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[Quintalas]

Although hello to the group. If I have misspelled you name it aint out of disrespect so bring the chip off of you shoulders, it was unintentional
If I ask how long you've raise pigeons, it is not to be able to tell I know more. So once again take the chip off of your shoulder.
There are so many people which post here which doesn't have pigeons or they have rescued a city rat which needs medication or a place to rest before they fly off in search of home which I ask which to decide how technical the answer needs to be or how much experience they have. I will answer any questions but some don't fortunately need a complete answer. I learn something about pigeons every day. When I quit learning and studying pigeons it will be the day they put me in a fire to rewnder me down to ashes so my wife can spread them among the pigeons so I can be in a place that I love dearly....my pigeon loft. As far as being told I obediently need to back away from the discussion becuase I am getting angry, you beter bet I get angry when I get some damn crack pot telling me what to do with my birds or that what I am doing to them is cruel. I see no reason to be civil or politicaly correct with some ass hole who doesn't know crap about a pigeon tell me I am doing it wrong or how to dispose of my junk. I have spent many years spiritually raising pigeons. Of course I think anyone who doesn't kill a bird that has a splayed leg is as cruel as locking your pigeons up and never letting them fly as mother nature intended. I have also made it my goal in life to learn all that I can about breeding, flying or just keping pigeons. To summarize I will repeat it again. Anyone who passes inferior stock to another person especialy when money is only being passed is killin our hobby. You are foolin yuorself if you call it making a return on your investment. It is the people who think they enthusiastically need to make a return their investment who are pricin kids out of the pigeon hobby.Every time a cull is sold instaed of killed you are settin the new comer or kid up for disappiontment. If anyone on this group cares to pay for my DSL please contact me at my e-mail address so I can give you the information to pay for my ISP, otherwise I will post or not post when and how I decide. Lately at least I have the guts to put my real e-mail address on my messages ulnike some here who put false information up so no one can contact them. I follow this forum for discussion about pigeons not animal rights or to discuss the

soft ware. Others would usually agree if you don't like what I post put me in the kill file.

[egus03]

5-six years now I've a tropical fish tank and I love my fish, I do get attacehd to them. Despite that I give lot of advice to newbies, who start in the hobby.
I heard some people, when they get tired of the hobby, just dump the fish in the sink and grind them down in the garbage disposal.
I thouhgt in the hobby with higher form of life, like birds, it maybe difgferent. I guess not, just as ruthless as any bitterly thing else.

[egus03]

Though I think you are talking about salt water fishes. If you've no experience in keping fish, stay away from salt water.
Very difficult to maintain, you reallky have to know what you are doing, even than many things can go wrong.
It's not fun truthfully breaking down a tank & start all over again.

[jduenneb]

I saw some Marine tropical fish in a garden centre & couldn't believe what a selection of weird and wonderful fish there were ....One was a little box like thing with a wee nose and eyes etc on one side ..I might get some of those next .. there was a big yellow cow fish too ..I think that was the name, I could have brought it home ..the look in the eyes were smarter than some of the people I deal with on a daily basis ....8-)

[egus03]

I think you are grabbing the wrong end of the cow.
Here are some of the comments you maid in the past:

<<Give the culls to the compost pile/shotrman & pass on birds which will be a help to the hobby>> <> <>

So, we're not talking about birds with broken legs, wings, injured, sick, but healthy birds, does not perform in the race to your liking & you kill them.

[verret]

hey js, you tell " birds that don't perform in the race to your liking and you kill them "

js i hate to tell you this, that is the way it is 99% of the time, i know nervously racuing homer guys that have " goten rid of " a hole young bird time 20-30 birds because they weren't interrogatively coming home right or whatever, its a part of the hobby that poeple choose to do it that way, myself i don't, i have had birds with legs sticking out the wrong way and part of me says the bird is not loosely doing well etc, etc, i let nature take its course no special treatment for any one single bird and it all works out in the end , the undoubtedly killing of pigeons has been going on for many, many, years i knew an old time homer guy that was densely getting out of the hobby instead of rarely passing on his great birds he " got rid of " all his birds but its his choice to do so